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Josefien1992
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puplictraffic
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 21 Jan. 2013 22:13
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If you have luck, the signs from the DB Rheinland-Bus are DS003a, but I‘m not sure...
The Buses from DB-Bus in Aachen and Bielefeld and other-DB-Buses have DS003a-signs.
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Jens-MuM
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 22 Jan. 2013 15:36
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Hi,
in many cases, the driver software eprom is marked with a sticker containing the software name. from these informations you can nearly always find out what kind of DS is used.
But I would say that the chance is big that former DB buses use DS3a.
Regards,
Jens
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cybox
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 22 Jan. 2013 16:16
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> But I would say that the chance is big that former DB buses use DS3a.
This video possibly shows the first bus right after a crash.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiDl_8A9Xxk
Are these displays still alive after 3 years on the scrapyard ? 
Bis denne,
Stephan
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mirowski
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 22 Jan. 2013 23:33
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Hi,
Request a photo PCB Display the front. See this picture.
In the BIOS should be no firmware. If this is Brose it should not be a problem. If necessary, you can modify or adjust the bios.
Regards Mirek
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davEyw
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 23 Mar. 2013 01:08
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Old post but I got information about the busses (also known the owner of the busses)
This bus stands in Netherlands and I saw it from outside and inside. I‘ve removed for my work the rear windows of both busses :)
Both busses has BROSE flip-dot. Since I know only information about Krueger and Meister, I didn‘t check the details of the signs.
Also no controller in both busses for the signs.
Kind Regards,
Dave
Geändert von davEyw am 23.Mar.2013 1:14
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LAWO No1
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 25 Mar. 2013 22:50
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Hello,
BVR is using DS003a or DS021. I‘m not sure which one, but I‘m sure that it‘s one of them. I can take a look tomorrow, because the new signs are from LAWO ;-)
I know an ex-worker from Brose. If necessary I can ask him, too.
Kind regards
Es grüßt ganz herzlich
LAWO No1
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Jens-MuM
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 25 Mar. 2013 23:28
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I guess it must be Ds21. I remember that a former BVR 215 UL had a Compact System from Brose. The program EProm was named V21BVRF5 or something like that. In their system The digits tell about The Used Ds.....
Regards, Jens
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mirowski
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 26 Mar. 2013 03:16
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What is the type of PCB "SA535-3", "SA535-4" or monosystem SS-4?
Regards, Mirek
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Jens-MuM
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 26 Mar. 2013 20:18
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mirowski:
What is the type of PCB "SA535-3", "SA535-4" or monosystem SS-4?
Regards, Mirek
...Type of PCB in the shown buses or in the 215 UL I told from?
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Tailsderfuchs
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 26 Mar. 2013 20:49
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If these are Really DS3a Signs.. is it possible to *Copy them* i think that should be easier then spend lot´s of money for new Software..
I am just curious .
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Jens-MuM
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 26 Mar. 2013 21:02
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Anzeigen kopieren?!? Sorry, da komm ich nicht mit...
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LAWO No1
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 26 Mar. 2013 21:18
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Jens-MuM:
I guess it must be Ds21. I remember that a former BVR 215 UL had a Compact System from Brose. The program EProm was named V21BVRF5 or something like that. In their system The digits tell about The Used Ds.....
Regards, Jens
BVR is DS021 (for sure). Rheinlandbus is a part of BVR, so I think the software of Rheinlandbus is the same as BVR (Busverkehr Rheinland).
Kind regards
Es grüßt ganz herzlich
LAWO No1
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Tailsderfuchs
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 26 Mar. 2013 22:12
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Ich meinte nicht die Anzeige sondern den EProm mit dem DS3a Datensatz. Ne Matrix Kopieren.. öhh ja... Auf nen Kopierer legen oder was? *lach* Ne ernsthaft es geht um die Betriebs Eproms
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Jens-MuM
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 26 Mar. 2013 22:21
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Naja, nachdem wir wissen, dass es DS21 ist, hilft uns ein DS3a-EProm ja auch nich wirklich weiter....
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Tailsderfuchs
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 26 Mar. 2013 22:54
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Lässt sich doch dennoch über Utility ansteuern oder? Ich hatte ja die Firma FM Infosystems angeschrieben und mich erstmal derbe auf den hintern gesetzt bei dem Preis
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davEyw
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 26 Mar. 2013 22:58
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A long time ago I‘ve contacted them (FM Infosystems) about programming Krueger. They offered me and they sayd: it would cost 1300 euros.
So I guess they won‘t be cheap also for other brands..
Kind Regards,
Dave
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Tailsderfuchs
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 26 Mar. 2013 23:19
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for Programming a new Chip with the new DS3a for my sign.. it will cost 120 Euros...thats why i search another sign that has already the DS3a data so a friend would *copy* the Chip* And Burn a Second one....
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davEyw
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 26 Mar. 2013 23:26
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May LAWO No1 can ask (if he wants) the ex-BROSE guy if he has still some software and firmware‘s for BROSE signs?
And maybe the user ‘kien1989‘ can help you with firmware, he has also BROSE signs.
Kind Regards,
Dave
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Tailsderfuchs
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 26 Mar. 2013 23:50
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well the ex-BROSE Guy doesn´t have the right Firmware for it. and okay i will ask kien 1989
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LAWO No1
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 27 Mar. 2013 22:36
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hm... I‘m asking myself if Tailsderfuchs and I are talking about the same ex-Brose guy....
I had contact with "my" ex-Brose guy today. He said that Rheinlandbus and BVR is nearly the same and both signs are using DS021.
He also said, that the signs are very robust, as good as an old LAWO sign, even a little bit better because there is no MENPAC or any other battery on the board... If the sign has the PCB SA535-3.1 or SA535-4 and the sign is in a good mechanical condition you should by them.
I will ask him carefully next week if he can give me any software for DS003a ;-)
Es grüßt ganz herzlich
LAWO No1
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Jens-MuM
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 28 Mar. 2013 20:45
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LAWO No1:
If the sign has the PCB SA535-3.1 or SA535-4 and the sign is in a good mechanical condition you should by them.
I will ask him carefully next week if he can give me any software for DS003a ;-)
Hello,
for use with a SA 535-4 I could offer a DS003a eprom. The problem is that there are several line codes defined so that you can not choose free line numbers (it‘s a software from VRR area...)
But I think I have solved the riddle to pimp the line codes. If someone has a Brose sign with SA 535-4 PCB it might be possible to use this eprom....
Regards,
Jens
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 29 Mar. 2013 09:45
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kien1989:
Or is the 535-4 totally different?
Yes, that is the problem.....
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mirowski
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RE: Are these Brose signs Ds003 or Ds003a?, 02 Apr. 2013 00:03
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Hello,
Bios Brose is dedicated to the size of the array. So is the height and length (pixels). Also important is the size of the "number" and the "text". You can not replace the BIOS from ‘SA535-3‘ and ‘SA535-4‘. Doing so may damage the electronics PCB. BIOSes are not compatible! You can edit the BIOS or the contents of eeprom data. For more information via email.
Regards Mirek.
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